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It’s no secret that coyotes eat venison, but do they hurt deer populations while satisfying their cravings?


By: Bob Noonan

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The coyote/deer predation issue is, simply, based on available coyote groceries. Coyotes are amazingly adaptable and will eat what’s available. They normally prey on small animals, and when food is abundant they tend to ignore adult deer because they take much more energy to hunt, although they will take any fawns they find. Consequently, coyotes usually don’t have much impact on deer in temperate parts of the country.

A Pennsylvania coyote, for example, can fill its belly with rabbits, rodents, small birds, wild fruit and all the other abundant goodies produced by the state’s fertile soil and easy winters. But that picture changes dramatically in more northern terrain, where the land tends to be less productive and the winters more severe.

Waiting For Winter
It’s hard work for coyotes to kill deer if the snow isn’t deep, and it normally requires a group effort. Canadian biologist Gerry Parker, in his book “Eastern Coyote: The Story of its Success,” wrote, “There are few published accounts of single coyotes successfully killing deer in winter.” Most successful hunts involve two or more coyotes. Even then, wrote Parker, one study revealed that, “Coyotes were successful on … six of 30 chases of deer.” That’s only a 20 percent success rate.

Gerry Lavigne, a retired whitetail biologist formerly with Maine’s Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife, and currently on the Deer Task Force for the Sportsmen’s Alliance of Maine, is an acknowledged expert on whitetails and coyote predation.

“Deer move into winter cover (yards) when the snow gets 12-15 inches deep,” Lavigne said. “At that depth, deer have to lift their legs out of the snow to travel, and that uses more energy. At 18 inches, they’re restricted to the best cover in the yards, and with more than 24 inches, they’re restricted to just the trails in that cover. We refer to these three stages as ‘yarding conditions,’ ‘restricted conditions’ and ‘confinement.’

“Winter vulnerability really does it. Deer have to be able to run away, to escape that first 100 yards of a coyote chase. If they can make that first 100 yards, coyotes probably aren’t going to waste their energy continuing the chase. If the snow is just too deep and deer can’t travel through it, they’re going to be vulnerable to that first chase, and they’re going to bog down.

“On average, a major deer yard serves an area six to 10 times its size. So if you improve survival in a 1,000-acre deer yard, you’re actually having an impact on all the deer in the surrounding 6,000-10,000 acres.”

Some winter yards are huge, and harbor big numbers of whitetails. The Armstrong Brook yard, near Maine’s northern border, is 36 square miles in size and holds more than 2,000 deer. But widespread clear-cutting has severely reduced the size of many wintering yards in Maine, and spruce budworm has thinned much of the remaining canopy. Large numbers of deer are often crowded into much smaller yards where, in recent years, the snow depth in the yards increased.

“It became way too easy for coyotes to kill a lot of deer,” Lavigne said. “And they did.”

All the Maine deer yards were severely impacted, and some of the smaller yards, whittled away by logging until they were 200 acres or less, were snuffed out completely after several years of coyote predation.


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DonE

Location: du bois, PA
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Posted:11/28/2008

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We have a predator problem in PA also, spelled COYOTE. Our Game Department refuses to recognize it. The area I hunt has two to three feet of snow every winter and the deer are killed in their winter yards. In the spring they kill the fawns as do the bear.

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GTRASK

Location: shinglehouse, PA
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Posted:12/15/2008

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We have another (even worse) predator problem than coyotes in Pa.. They are called black bears. The bear density in north central Pa. has reached proportions that I have not witnessed in my lifetime. I am 58. (check this year's harvest numbers for Potter, Mckean and Tioga counties) Bears are a far bigger threat to deer than coyotes. I personally have found several kill sites in my area that can be only attributed to bears. These kills include both fawns and adult deer.

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GSWENDSEN

Location: narrowsburg, NY
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Posted:12/16/2008

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Another thing that really gets the coyote to kill deer is when you get a crust on the snow coyotes will run on top of the crust and the deer break through And the winters here lately have had a lot of that.

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bignuts

Location: danville, OH
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Posted:12/18/2008

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well u need to go and kill them grow a pair

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Bowman1

Location: east earl, PA
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Posted:12/19/2008

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Coyote's eat fawns in the spring I have seen evidence of many being killed. I also live in Pa. and I agree with GTRASK we have a bear problem. one thing that I have found to fix coyote problems is to call with a fawn in distress call, after that, even if you do miss, they will not be so quick to attack fawns.

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voodoobuck

Location: honesdale, PA
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Posted:12/21/2008

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I live the north east near the Delaware river,both the coyote,and bear have had a huge effect on deer numbers.In my hunting area the first week of deer season we killed five coyotes,and three buck thats with twenty five hunters. Ten years ago it would have been fifteen deer,and maybe one coyote. same land same guys.

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cehorton2001

Location: carrollton, AL
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Posted:12/22/2008

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I have a coyote problem where I live in central Alabama. We can hear the pack running through the woods all the time. I'm sure the deer here have no trouble running from them but i have noticed that I'm not seeing near as many deer since the coyote population has risen. Hunting pressure has risen too though.

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razor1

Location: lakebay, WA
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Posted:1/4/2009

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Oh YES, Coyotes kill. I had 6 of them chasing down the only 2 elk I saw in Washington state this year. The are hiding from them. Did not get my elk, but got 3 of the bad guys. Also went back to upper Michigan where I'm formally from and witnessed the extreme decline in deer due to them and wolves. I say kill them all.

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rberry1

Location: colden, NY
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Posted:1/19/2009

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I have hunted Mckean county PA. Since 1989. The last four yrs. have been very hard hunting. The deer numbers are way down, We used to see 20 to 30 doe and 2 or 3 bucks by 8:00am. Last year(2007) was the worst year I hunted PA.by far 13 guys in our group and only took 1 deer but even worse only seen 7 deer total all day for 13 guy's that's pretty sad. I have seen more coyotes & Bear in the woods in the last 2 years mostly during Archery . It's hard enough hunt coyote with a gun let alone a bow. Bottom line is we need to take more coyote & bear in this area. Close the Doe season for a year or two and see if this will help the deer heard re-coop its numbers.

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deerxterminater

Location: benton, ME
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Posted:3/1/2009

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Coyotes are becoming a huge problem everywhere. I hunt with 8 guys and in the past 2 years only 3 deer have been taken off of our 250 acre property. Zero were taken this past season. What needs to happen is the State needs to start posting a a reward for any coyotes that are taken. Something like $5.00 a dog or shoot 15 and get a free hunting liscence. This would motivate people to go out and dramatically decrease the coyote population. Maine winters are harsh enough as it is on deer, last year it is estimated half of the deer population was killed due to the harsh winter. We dont need coyotes killing even more.

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zanespencer

Location: weippe, ID
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Posted:3/8/2009

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I live in a small town in northern idaho were deer and elk are a big part of survival for a family to live here.In the last few years the wolves have killed off a large number of elk and deer,the hunting which i believe was some of the best in the northwest is now being shut down in some units.so all you wolve lovers why dont you try hunting to survive and feed your family in a place were the competition gets to hunt all year round and kills everything in sight just for the hell of it.then mabey you'll change your tune about saving this poor dog!!!

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mdcowboy

Location: plummer, ID
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Posted:3/15/2009

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I also live in a small town in northern idaho and the wolves are just out of town .I have heard them frequently and even seen them on my way to work early in the morning.I have also encountered coyotes chasing deer.2 years ago i saw perhaps 25 deer in the hills behind where i live and the past year was lucky to see 3 or 4.fish and game blame it on the hard winters we have had but we hunters know its the wolves and coyotes taking the biggest tole on our game .

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Rockhard

Location: cochrane, AB
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Posted:3/23/2009

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Coyotes are a problem everywhere. There was a time when a prime yodel dog pelt was worth $70-$100. That changed when the animal rights groups kicked the stuffing out of the fur trade. I live and hunt in Alberta's foothills of the Rockies and I've seen packs of coyotes take on mature mulies in the late summer with no snow on the ground. Two years ago the land owner where I hunt shot over 27 dogs in one year on his 800 acres-most of them from his porch. They go after the new calves in the spring. They're into the city parks and attack peoples' dogs at the end of the leash! And if you shoot a deer in the evening you better be prepared to stay and find it that night because if you don't the coyotes will have it cleaned up by morning.

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fish53

Location: hallstead, PA
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Posted:4/2/2009

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I am also from Pa. and live in a county where I hunt public land. You are lucky if you see a deer or even a deer track but you can find plenty of coyote tracks. Yes, I agree with coyotes being a huge problem with deer numbers and they have to go but the game Commission will never ever admit this. They have, in my opinion made deer hunting a goal of extermination and until coyotes start causing car damage or eating trees, they won't change their management methods. It's all on their web site. Gary Alt is gone but left behind a disaster. On top of all this, we are also to blame. We can destroy or return doe tags for a few seasons and help the deer population. Yes, take the new hunter, young hunter out and let them take does because after all they are the future of our sport. But as it stands now no kid is going to go hunting, get tired, wet and cold days on end and not even see anything and maintain interest very long. Deer hunting 53 yrs. and it's not getting any easier and definitely not getting better.

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borling

Location: muskegon, MI
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Posted:4/3/2009

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I lived in Effie Mn. for ten years and agree that black bears can wipe out nearly all game and nongame species they can get to. When I moved in my cabin a large bear was living on my 40 acres, I could hardly find even a bird's nest. By scouting the area I must have drove him off. As time went by I began to see more game and nongame species use and inhabit my land. I have seen black bears chase deer fawns and have seen fawn hooves in nearly every bear scat I came across. Bryan Life member

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maynard720

Location: harbor beach, MI
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Posted:8/7/2009

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For those of you who have coyote problems, I've heard a few oldtimers stories of how to get rid of them, and they all agree, Treble hooks work the best. Hang a piece of meat by a few large treble hooks and a good steel leader just high enough so the coyote has to jump up to reach it. He'll drown on his own blood. This method is outlawed in all 50 states as far as I know. But that's how a lot of oldtimers delt with them years ago. It was so sucessfull they almost wiped them out around here.

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Lance W. K.

Location: pearl, IL
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Posted:8/12/2009

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i agree. althought here in IL i have real good luck with traping them in the winter. if you give that a try you might help your problem plus gain a new hobby.

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Lance W. K.

Location: pearl, IL
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Posted:8/12/2009

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i agree. althought here in IL i have real good luck with traping them in the winter. if you give that a try you might help your problem plus gain a new hobby.

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mburke1

Location: harrodsburg, KY
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Posted:10/14/2009

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The coyote problem is huge. I live in Ky and the deer population appears to be healthy. I see lots of does and fawns each year but I hear the coyotes every night. The howling sets my black lab off like an alarm clock. Its too dark to shoot them and I had a 1200 pound horse killed this spring due to something attacking her and running her through a fence. No bears are present in my part of the state so the most likely suspects are the coyotes.

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stevebeards

Location: peotone, IL
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Posted:10/24/2009

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I live in northeastern IL. and the deer population is falling. a few years ago we seen deer everywhere now your lucky to 2 or 3 but the coyote population is growing my dad shot 15 one year off the back porch they killed our dog and a few cats everytime a train goes by at night all you can hear is coyotes howling but we're working on the coyote population thats all we have been doing lately is hunting coyotes.

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Location: hubbell, MI
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Posted:10/25/2009

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I live in the U.P. of Michigan and it's the same story here too. One thing people are doing here is called the predator hunt. It's usually put on by a sportsman's club or organization, and is designed to get rid of some of the areas predators. There is a time period when the hunt takes place( usually a week), and after the hunt a registration takes place, similar to a fishing tournament. Prizes for the most and biggest coyote, fox etc. are awarded with a dinner taking place. As history tells us, Departments of fish and game will not do anything to sove this problem. We as sportsman and women have to do it ourselves.

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Location: hubbell, MI
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Posted:10/25/2009

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I live in the U.P. of Michigan and it's the same story here too. One thing people are doing here is called the predator hunt. It's usually put on by a sportsman's club or organization, and is designed to get rid of some of the areas predators. There is a time period when the hunt takes place( usually a week), and after the hunt a registration takes place, similar to a fishing tournament. Prizes for the most and biggest coyote, fox etc. are awarded with a dinner taking place. As history tells us, Departments of fish and game will not do anything to sove this problem. We as sportsman and women have to do it ourselves.

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p

Location: hubbell, MI
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Posted:10/25/2009

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I live in the U.P. of Michigan and it's the same story here too. One thing people are doing here is called the predator hunt. It's usually put on by a sportsman's club or organization, and is designed to get rid of some of the areas predators. There is a time period when the hunt takes place( usually a week), and after the hunt a registration takes place, similar to a fishing tournament. Prizes for the most and biggest coyote, fox etc. are awarded with a dinner taking place. As history tells us, Departments of fish and game will not do anything to sove this problem. We as sportsman and women have to do it ourselves.

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revaredneck

Location: athens, AL
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Posted:10/25/2009

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i live in athens alabama and each time ive went out bow hunting i use the same tackticks that work for me i go through and descent my self, clothes, ect. then i spray some doe pee around ant then get seated. i rattle and call and this year ive seen only 2 does for the last four months. on the other hand ive seen many coyotes, which ive not been able to get close enough for me to shoot. i believe they need to put a bounty on them to dwindle their numbers. if any body knows of a taxidermist taking their pelts please post it.

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bob65

Location: millmont, PA
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Posted:11/1/2009

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i think that the ccoyote has helped the turkey but if that is a the pa game department wants us to hunt lets cut the cost of licenes that will get the attention of the office settin paper planers

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dwilso15

Location: cottonwood, AZ
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Posted:11/13/2009

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Yotes kill deer and fawns. They kill anything that has meat including pets. They kill more than they can eat, so they can come back. In AZ we don't get the amount of snow you get in PA, but all year long is hard here. I started hunting Yotes when I watched a pack of 4 kill 2 mother cows with calves giving birth. It was too late for the cattle by the time I got back from the truck. I got 6 Yotes that night. 30 years later and a wireless FoxPro there are a lot more deer and antelope in AZ.

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jsmith9

Location: sylacauga, AL
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Posted:11/14/2009

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I've seen some large coyotes on my property. I've also seen about six pair of fawns this year. So, far the fawns are still there. I dont think the coyotes are killing to many deer yet but, they have destroyed the quail population. I am sure that they raid as many turkey nest they can. It is time to take some coyotes out.

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Member Tip

Coyote Transport Bags

I hunt coyotes on the plains of Colorado. To keep from getting the carpet in my vehicle dirty, I carry a box of 39-gallon lawn bags. These are large enough to handle even big coyotes and I don’t have a mess to clean up when I get home.

I also carry Hertz 2-in-1 flea and tick powder. When I shoot a coyote, I dust it liberally with the powder. I also put some powder in the trash bag. That way I don’t have to worry about getting fleas on me whiles I’m skinning the coyote.

Joel Fleisher
Lamar, CO

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